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unienaule · Nov 01, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Phoebe, I have a couple things to say.
You're telling us that there are always going to be people with more and people with less? ZOMGNOWAI
It's called life. Not real life, not fake life, ALL life. If you're seriously complaining that not everyone can be rich... um... right. That's quite commonly known to be impossible, since if everyone was "rich" they wouldn't be rich anymore, everyone would be average.

As for your "traders rip people off" comment, uh, that's how business works. Let's take a retailer for example. They buy stuff from somewhere for $X, and sell it to somebody else for, say, $X + 20%. Oh noes, Wal-Mart, JC Penny, Dillards, Sears, Hy-Vee, Fareway, EB Games, and every other store you can possibly think of rip people off, better ban them from life for making a profit by re-selling.

Also, I don't see that you're really arguing a point, it seems to be just arguing and talking about ebay to piss people off, so if you have a point, please bring it up, or else I'm just going to close/delete this whole discussion.

The Herbalizer · Nov 01, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Phoebe

Knowing the price of an item has nothing to do with common sense. It is at best common knowledge, if that item is common or has a very active trading market.
The values of a 15^50 Fellblade, 13^50 Dwarven Axe or white max Crystal Sword have absolutely nothing to do with common sense, they do have everything to do with offer and demand, that's knowledge not common sense.

Yes, exactly, trading doesn't fix anything, trading does not generate wealth, it only moves that wealth around.That's exactly what I said in my last couple of posts.

And your point is?

Im pretty sure trading generated me wealth unless those millions of gold were imaginary. The gold I got could have been from people who farmed for it and thus created "new" wealth or gold. If someone goes out to farm for an item they are therefore creating gold which will be given to a trader so trading in some cases can generate "new" wealth. I really dont know why you are arguing about this. What is your point? And you are arguing about trading with um some of the most successful and best traders in the game.....

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Phoebe, I have a couple things to say.
You're telling us that there are always going to be people with more and people with less? ZOMGNOWAI
It's called life. Not real life, not fake life, ALL life. If you're seriously complaining that not everyone can be rich... um... right. That's quite commonly known to be impossible, since if everyone was "rich" they wouldn't be rich anymore, everyone would be average.

As for your "traders rip people off" comment, uh, that's how business works. Let's take a retailer for example. They buy stuff from somewhere for $X, and sell it to somebody else for, say, $X + 20%. Oh noes, Wal-Mart, JC Penny, Dillards, Sears, Hy-Vee, Fareway, EB Games, and every other store you can possibly think of rip people off, better ban them from life for making a profit by re-selling.

Also, I don't see that you're really arguing a point, it seems to be just arguing and talking about ebay to piss people off, so if you have a point, please bring it up, or else I'm just going to close/delete this whole discussion.

Im pretty sure he is trolling as comments such as ebay accusations, lier accusations, power traders are scammers etc is just to annoy people and cause arguments. Either a troll or someone lacking any form of intelligence.

aubee · Nov 01, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Phoebe

Wrong.
It IS all about knowledge.
Knowledge of who is buying, who is selling.
Knowledge of how much they sell for, and how much they buy for.
People don't know, so they make the gamble that the time they save accepting bad offers will net them more profit investing in playing/farming than spent on waiting on a better offer.

It takes time to find more clients.
It takes time to find the correct value of an item.
In that time the value of the item could change, and trade opportunities could be missed.
The same time that could usually be better spent elsewhere.
The result, pressure trading.

So yes, making decent revenue through trading IS about ripping people off.

Phoebe, your comments indicate that you don't have the vaguest idea what you are talking about. Just like in real life, traders generally aren't making a living ripping people off. They are making a market. And that's a good thing. Otherwise it's hard to buy and sell things that people want to buy and sell.

As a real example, if I want to sell a weapon mod that's really worth 5K, i.e. that's the "fair market value" for it, and I can find a trader who spends hours in KC or LA looking for deals who is willing to buy it for 4K and then sell it for 6K, I'm very happy to dump it. It's a lot more than I can merch it for and I can clear it out of my storage and get back to playing the game. And the guy who buys it for 6K is also very happy because he got what he needed without spending hours spamming WTB messages to get it for 1K less. Pretty much everybody wins. And it's the same on the high end as well.

The game actually needs more traders, or bettter yet a trading house, to make the process more efficient and the margins lower.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Nov 01, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Phoebe

Yes, exactly, trading doesn't fix anything, trading does not generate wealth, it only moves that wealth around.
That's exactly what I said in my last couple of posts.

Of course trading doesn't generate wealth. It moves the generated wealth to the place where generated wealth dies: gold sinks. Trade is the mechanism that moves money and items through the economy, but the route is ultimately linear, so of course it accomplishes something.

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Originally Posted by unienaule

... or else I'm just going to close/delete this whole discussion.

Please do.

Spydergst1 · Nov 01, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by unienaule

To spydergst1:

Although you have played for a year, it appears you don't know anything about buying and selling items, and definitely don't know any of the famous traders on this site. I'm telling you that they aren't lying and that you shouldn't post any more idiotic accusations of ebay'ing about people whom you don't even know. Basically, using no knowledge of rich people, I could say... hmm... I have no idea how they got rich... they must... use hacks! Yes that must be it! *goes off to post total BS that I just came up with*

If you have any other arguments about how "hard" it is to get rich, I suggest you work hard at any of the several methods that have been suggested (yes it still takes *gasp* time, it's not just free money) and then see just how rich you can get.

Agreed. I haven't sold very much and I guess I don't know much about buying or selling. I never complained or said it was too hard to get rich so I am not sure what point you are making with that comment. I said people who get FOW armor in their first 4 months of playing probably ebay'ed. That is likely because it is not likely a new player will pick up on power trading that fast. My technique for selling is to buy low and trade high not in trading weapons. I buy ecto's in buy at 5 or 6k then sell when they go up to 8 or 9k.

The rest of what you said sounded like blah, blah, blah to me. Maybe because I am married. You didn't provide links to prove me wrong like I asked you just talked crap.

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10054638
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10049559
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10063296
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...47#post2115047
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=1#post1853766
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t=89574&page=2

I currently own the 14% no condition serpent axe mentioned in some of the above threads.

I could provide probably over 100 other links if I had to dig for them, these are just the oens that are still on my favs list from when i was interested in bidding on them.

I bow to you! Not only have you proved me wrong you have educated me in the art of power trading. I appreciate your comments and proving me wrong.
Overall this was a good post. This post has given me new insight.
Akhilleus - Meet me in LA D1 near storage. I will be there waiting for you about 11:00 PM CST. I intend to give you 50 ecto's

My final point to all. I consider myself to be ingame rich. Not as grossly as many of you. I stand corrected with my 4 month comment but I still feel the majority of FOW armor has been ebay'ed. Consider the real world market to sell GW gold wouldn't exist very long if not many ppl paid for it. The fact that you can power trade says that there are only a handful of you think what would happen if the majority of player’s power traded. SO most players just as in real life are not rich.

My view on ebay'ing. If you want to spend real money on game money go for it. No one should judge you for your decisions. Nor should you have you account closed. You bought the product (GW) and no one has the right to close your account if you paid for it. That’s like buying a new car for a demolition derby and the car dealer repo's it even though you paid for it in full. I have nothing against ebay'ers as some of you might think. I simply think that if you just started playing a few months ago and you have FOW armor then you are more likely to be an ebay'er then a power trader.

unienaule · Nov 01, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Alright, well, you could ride the flames from here to the final mission of Nightfall if you want after saying Ebay should be fine, so I'm just gonna close it now. And don't ever say that Ebay should be fine again, because either I or someone else will close that for being flamebait.